The Rodney Dangerfield of the LPD

**Biggin** · October 15th, 2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by stainless

I really doan't get where Union is more talented than Central. Looked to me both teams are very evenly matched. I really don't think one school has more talent than the other.

Union was faster to the edges, had more explosive plays, they have more talent than Central. There is no doubt, I am 100% positive about that.
Its not a slight at Central, its a slight at Union.

Im sorry to sound like this, but PV should never lose to Wise. Simple as that. Im sure CW folks feel the same way, as do JIB folk. Just like Wise baseball or girls basketball should never lose to PV, PV football should never fall off so far that Wise beats them.

The lack of fire in the second half is disturbing. I expect PV to make no second half adjustments they've played seven games and have yet to play better in the 2nd half than the first, but I do expect them to at least want to win. Im really not trying to offend the kids at Wise, they played a very good game and deserved to win last night. But I am flat out embarrassed.

**starbuck** · October 15th, 2011, 01:03 PM

who is this PV and Wise you speak of?

**centennialdawg** · October 15th, 2011, 01:37 PM

I think if they lose out, then he needs to rethink stuff about his staffing. Thomas IS NOT a defensive coach, he did not come up with any adjustments. I dare say that Turner will have some new asistants come next year. The only reason Thomas has that job to bigin with is the fact that he was a "cary-over" from Robbins and Robbing only kep him because Robbins ran the show, Thomas had no decision making in the defense at all. This , when he is actually tasked with running the defense, he has failed miserably. Think about this. Everyone who has gone to see the last 3 games knows he(Thomas) is calling the defense and it is not getting done. He stayed in the same defensive package all night last night. There was no blitzing, no stunts at all. Just plain basic defensive alignments. Had there been any stunting at all, then they would have stopped the running game cold. If you get a chance, look at the game film. Union's defense reminded me of the p-nut football players playing last night. It is very confusing and I know it is frustrating to the players because they know how to play.

Face it, traps and counters are two of the easiest plays to defend by making simple adjustments to your defense.

**fballfan** · October 15th, 2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Union was faster to the edges, had more explosive plays, they have more talent than Central. There is no doubt, I am 100% positive about that.
Its not a slight at Central, its a slight at Union.

Im sorry to sound like this, but PV should never lose to Wise. Simple as that. Im sure CW folks feel the same way, as do JIB folk. Just like Wise baseball or girls basketball should never lose to PV, PV football should never fall off so far that Wise beats them.

The lack of fire in the second half is disturbing. I expect PV to make no second half adjustments they've played seven games and have yet to play better in the 2nd half than the first, but I do expect them to at least want to win. Im really not trying to offend the kids at Wise, they played a very good game and deserved to win last night. But I am flat out embarrassed.

This is a crazy statement. Central should never beat Union? Why? What, it this in the rule book somewhere? Is Big Stone Gap and Appalachia the only area that is "divinely blessed" with football talent? Get over it. Football talent comes and goes. Yeah PV and Appy were basically unbeatable years ago but what makes people think they still are going to have the most talent. I haven't seen Central play but I know they have some good athletes. And no CW folks do not feel it is a given to beat Central every year. Never underestimate your opponent.

**Biggin** · October 15th, 2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by fballfan

This is a crazy statement. Central should never beat Union? Why? What, it this in the rule book somewhere? Is Big Stone Gap and Appalachia the only area that is "divinely blessed" with football talent? Get over it. Football talent comes and goes. Yeah PV and Appy were basically unbeatable years ago but what makes people think they still are going to have the most talent. I haven't seen Central play but I know they have some good athletes. And no CW folks do not feel it is a given to beat Central every year. Never underestimate your opponent.

Wow you totally misread that post. When a school has a focus on one sport, they should not lose to schools that value other sports more. In high school sports, the schools that put their eggs in one sport (like PV football, Wise baseball/girls basketball, etc..) should never be in a position to lose to lesser teams.

Wise should never, ever beat Powell Valley. I will stand by that til the day I die. This is not 1998, I know Julius Jones is not walking thru that door. But this is (well, was) a program that provided itself as well coached, well executed team that was ready to play every game. That was not the case last night.

If you havent seen Central play, then wtf do you know? How do you know they are as talented as PV if you havent seen them play?

THIS IS NOT A SLIGHT AT WISE, jesus fucking christ. Wise has a good team, and they were the better team last night. They deserved to win, all that blah blah blah.

And lol you are FOS. If CW lost to Wise, you would be pissed. Its not underestimating your opponent. I never said PV should blow Wise out and win by 40, but they should beat them. They should be the better team. They were not last night, and thats the problem.

**Unchained** · October 15th, 2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Union was faster to the edges, had more explosive plays, they have more talent than Central. There is no doubt, I am 100% positive about that.
Its not a slight at Central, its a slight at Union.

Im sorry to sound like this, but PV should never lose to Wise. Simple as that. Im sure CW folks feel the same way, as do JIB folk. Just like Wise baseball or girls basketball should never lose to PV, PV football should never fall off so far that Wise beats them.

The lack of fire in the second half is disturbing. I expect PV to make no second half adjustments they've played seven games and have yet to play better in the 2nd half than the first, but I do expect them to at least want to win. Im really not trying to offend the kids at Wise, they played a very good game and deserved to win last night. But I am flat out embarrassed.

Stop living in the past Biggin'. New schools,new day,new era. The days of dominance in football from PV/Appy athletes are over

**Biggin** · October 15th, 2011, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Unchained

Stop living in the past Biggin'. New schools,new day,new era. The days of dominance in football from PV/Appy athletes are over

Okay. Whatever you say. Have you already forgotten what happened last year? Powell Valley is one of the most storied football programs in VHSL history; it will not just roll over and die, no matter how terrible the coaching is.

In the last ten years, JJK has beaten PV twice. Yes, the dominance is over. In the last five years, PV is up 3-2. In the past two years, they are 1-1.

You can change the names all you want, but this is still the PV program, it is still the Wise program, just with different names.

You guys do not understand what I am saying. I am saying Wise IS the better team right now, and that IS the problem.

**fballfan** · October 15th, 2011, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Wow you totally misread that post. When a school has a focus on one sport, they should not lose to schools that value other sports more. In high school sports, the schools that put their eggs in one sport (like PV football, Wise baseball/girls basketball, etc..) should never be in a position to lose to lesser teams.

Wise should never, ever beat Powell Valley. I will stand by that til the day I die. This is not 1998, I know Julius Jones is not walking thru that door. But this is (well, was) a program that provided itself as well coached, well executed team that was ready to play every game. That was not the case last night.

If you havent seen Central play, then wtf do you know? How do you know they are as talented as PV if you havent seen them play?

THIS IS NOT A SLIGHT AT WISE, jesus fucking christ. Wise has a good team, and they were the better team last night. They deserved to win, all that blah blah blah.

And lol you are FOS. If CW lost to Wise, you would be pissed. Its not underestimating your opponent. I never said PV should blow Wise out and win by 40, but they should beat them. They should be the better team. They were not last night, and thats the problem.

I didn't say they are more talented than Union. I said they have some good athletes. I know this because I saw both Pound and Wise play last year. They had some good athletes on those teams that are playing at Central now.

**stainless** · October 15th, 2011, 02:14 PM

The thing is that PV people only want to remember from 82 until last year. Before that PV people have no memory of the program. All that is in the past the new era of things have now started. It doesn't matter anymore what PV Appy Kelly or Pound ever did. Its all memories. All that matters now is what Union Central and Eastside do for now on.

**Biggin** · October 15th, 2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by stainless

The thing is that PV people only want to remember from 82 until last year. Before that PV people have no memory of the program. All that is in the past the new era of things have now started. It does matter anymore what PV Appy Kelly or Pound ever did. Its all memories. All that matters now is what Union Central and Eastside do for now on.

lol whatever. just because a school changes names does not mean the history in those buildings die. If Wise sucks ass in baseball and loses to PV, will you not be pissed?

Okay, go back to however long you wanna go back. PV has owned Wise on the football field, just as Wise has owned PV in baseball and usually basketball.

And to the poster above, I agree 100%. Central has talent, they are a wellcoached team that was prepared to play and knew what they had to do to win. They were the better team last night.